How Much Should You Spend on Your Own Marketing?

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How Much Should You Spend on Your Own Marketing?

From2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns

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Oct 25, 2023

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David addresses another frequently asked question, looking at what creative firms should budget in terms of both money and time for their website, SaaS/automation, PR, content creation, and social media.

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Oct 25, 2023

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Conversations on the art of creative entrepreneurship with David C. Baker and Blair Enns

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How to Drive Your Employees Bat Sh*t Crazy: The issue of how principals manage their employees continues to pop up for David year after year, and Blair is worried that he might have this problem in his own firm. by 2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns
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Seven Words You Can't Say in Business Development: David and Blair discuss a list of words Blair came up with that you should avoid to keep you out of trouble and in control of the buy-sell relationship. by 2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns
32 min listen
What Happens When You're Away: David and Blair list good and bad things that can happen when the principal steps away from their creative firm for a period of time, which is based on . by 2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns
34 min listen
Five Irrational Fears: What keeps you up at night? Blair interviews David about the five most common fears that he has seen in the consulting work he has done with over 900 firms. by 2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns
26 min listen
How Not to Act Like an Expert: David and Blair make a list of the common mistakes that people make in trying to portray themselves as experts. by 2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns
31 min listen
Truths and Myths About Money: Do you have trouble talking about money with clients? David makes seven common statements about money and Blair states whether they are true or false and why. by 2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns
31 min listen
Why Advertising Agencies Don't Advertise: Blair revisits the first piece of thought leadership he ever wrote, taking a look at why firms may or may not do for themselves what they do for their clients. by 2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns
30 min listen
Planning for the New Year: David and Blair each share some goals that they have for their clients and themselves for the upcoming year, which turns into somewhat of a therapy session. by 2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns
32 min listen
An Introduction to David C. Baker: Blair interviews David about who he is and why people should pay attention to what he has to say - if they should at all... by 2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns
20 min listen
The New Entrepreneur: David and Blair discuss how the nature of entrepreneurship is changing and what the new entrepreneur is facing today. by 2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns
29 min listen
The Business of Expertise - Part 1: David Baker wrote a book! And Blair asks him about his authoring process, publishing, and the book's topic. by 2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns
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Being Like Everyone Else: Blair restrains himself from going off on a rant about who his clients choose to learn from. by 2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns
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A Sales Skeptic Interviews a Sales Expert: Blair does his best to reform David's skepticism of sales, discussing what works well and what fails miserably in the sales process. by 2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns
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Four Segments of New Business: Blair and David come up with descriptive words that help clarify each of the four parts of what David calls the "pantheon" for new business: positioning, lead generation, sales, and pricing. by 2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns
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Replacing Presentations With Conversations: David re-reads the 2nd chapter of , leading to a discussion about how sales people have to choose between either presenting to clients or being present to them. TRANSCRIPT DAVID C. BAKER: Blair, we are going to talk today about replacing... by 2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns
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How Much Should You Write?: Blair lays out . by 2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns
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The Business of Expertise - Part 3, Live from London: Blair revisits David's new book, "" in front of a live audience in London, who get to ask their own questions. by 2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns
29 min listen
Open Book Management: Blair gets David to admit that he was kind of wrong about open book management being just a fad when he originally wrote about it almost two decades ago, and David offers ways that it can actually benefit both employees and clients when used... by 2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns
24 min listen
Mea Culpa: David offers to help Blair remember all the times he's been wrong over the past couple decades. Then Blair says he'll be happy to reveal all of the places he's wrong now but doesn't even know it yet. by 2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns
32 min listen
Thriving In the Middle of the Road: Blair questions David on about identifying the risks on either side of the road and navigating a path between both extremes. by 2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns
31 min listen
An Introduction to Blair Enns: David asks Blair to describe his work and his passion for the creative entrepreneurial community, and they discuss how where he lives has such a huge impact on what he does. by 2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns
19 min listen
What Good Clients Are Really Looking For: Listeners on Twitter wanted to know what clients actually want from creative firms, so David makes a list based on his experience of what good clients want, while Blair's reaction is "who cares what clients want... all they wanted was a 'faster horse.'" by 2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns
34 min listen
Using Assessment Instruments in Your Firm: David and Blair explore the big topic of personality assessment tools that can help firms “get the right people on the bus.” by 2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns
34 min listen
Hacking Heuristics: Blair leads a discussion on how clients tend to take mental shortcuts in making business decisions, and how we can nudge clients without manipulating them to make a decision that is in their best interest. Links and by Robert Cialdini... by 2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns
41 min listen
Reviewing the "Surveillance Footage": There are seven patterns that almost all principals are guilty of. When David and Blair point them out, it leads their clients to say, “you must have hidden cameras in my office!" by 2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns
27 min listen
The Complexities of Commission Culture: David picks Blair's brain about new business compensation, and what principals need to consider in finding their firm's place on the spectrum between full commission and salary with no incentives. by 2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns
36 min listen
Things Principals Should Do More Of: David and Blair each share a list of things that they wish agency principals would do more of to take their firms to the next level of success. Links by 2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns
22 min listen
Valuing and Selling Your Firm: Blair and David discuss why, when, and how principals sell their firms, and Blair reveals he is skeptical about selling his own firm. by 2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns
35 min listen
Mastering the Value Conversation: David gets Blair to expound on his statement that “the value conversation is where value pricing theory goes to die,” and how crucial that conversation is within the sales framework he lays out in his new book, "Pricing Creativity: A Guide to... by 2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns
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The Business of Expertise - Part 2: Blair revisits David's new book, interviewing him on the two chapters that cover the important topic of positioning: "Distinguishing Between Vertical and Horizontal Expertise," and "Principles for the Less Exchangeable Positioning of Expertise." by 2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns
35 min listen

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