Deb is a Shogun. A professor at the University of Oregon, she doesn't just teach, she doesn't just hold down a job, she gets people careers. She does this with how she teaches but she also takes a much deeper interest in students than any other professor I've met.

In this chat, we talk:
- What learning advertising is really learning
- The role of portfolios
- Which agencies students want to get it into and why
- Finding meaning in strategy work
- What advertising students look like in 2018
- What's up with Oregon?
- And so much more.

You can find the shogun here: https://twitter.com/debkmorrison

Video: http://www.sweathead.co
And me: http://www.twitter.com/markpollard