About the Episode: Studies show that Americans feel less connected and more divided than ever before. Celeste Headlee, an award winning journalist, joins us to explore how we can navigate the many hard conversations that are happening these days. About our Guest: In her 20-year career in public radio, Celeste appeared on NPR, PRI, CNN, and the BBC. She has been the Executive Producer of On Second Thought for Georgia Public Broadcasting, and anchored shows including Tell Me More, Talk of the Nation, All Things Considered, and Weekend Edition at NPR. Celeste is also the author of two wonderful books: We Need To Talk: How To Have Conversations That Matter and Do Nothing: How to Break Away from Overworking, Overdoing, and Underliving. Here's a summary of George Lakoff's framing theory that was mentioned during our conversation.Support the Podcast: We're on Patreon! If you'd like to support the podcast, follow this link.Key Topics:1:30: “Pandemic okay.”4:45: Being a good talker vs. being a good conversationalist. 7:15: Why intelligent people can struggle to be good conversationalists. 11:30: Working with the inevitable presence of bias. 14:15: Facts, feelings, and frame theory.18:00: Metacognition and confirmation bias. 22:45: Do facts change people’s opinions?24:45: Making it easy for people to change their mind. 31:00: Maintaining our mental health inside hard conversations. 35:45: “Bothsides-ism”40:00: How to engage when someone’s argument isn’t based on facts you agree with.45:00: Doing less to do more.50:00: The power of weak ties, and the negative impact of too much tech.53:00: A message to your younger self. Overcome Anxiety:  Let go of anxiety and grow a greater sense of calm strength with Rick's Dealing with Anxiety program, which offers 5 powerful practices for managing stress and worries. Save 10% with coupon code BEINGWELL.From Dr. Hanson: The Foundations of Well-Being brings together the lessons of a lifetime of practice into one year-long online program. Podcast listeners can use the code BEINGWELL25 at checkout for an additional 25% off! Please don't hesitate to apply for a scholarship if you're in need. Sponsors: Explore your creativity at Skillshare.com/BEINGWELL and get a free trial of their Premium Membership.Want to sleep better? Try the legendary Calm app! Visit calm.com/beingwell for 40% off a premium subscription.Join over a million people using BetterHelp, the world’s largest online counseling platform. Visit betterhelp.com/beingwell for 10% off your first month! Connect with the show:Follow us on InstagramFollow Rick on FacebookFollow Forrest on FacebookSubscribe on iTunes