In this episode of The Effortless Swimming Podcast, I have two special guests: Chloe McCardel and Michael (Murph) Renford (son of legendary marathon swimmer, Des Renford). Chloe is aiming to break Des' record of 19 English Channel crossings this season. In this podcast, we talk about the need for adventure and connection with the ocean that drives marathon swimmers. Murph shares stories about his legendary dad like his record breaking swim from Sydney harbour to Wollongong (54 miles), his experience in swimming the English Channel and the happiness he gets from crewing for other swimmers.