Tim Ash ran the strategic Conversion Rate Optimization agency, SiteTuners for over 20 years, a business that has generated over $1.2 billion in value for its clients. At the core of that success was a deep understanding of neurobiology, which Tim explores in detail in his new book ‘Unleash Your Primal Brain’. In this episode of The Breakout Growth Podcast, Sean Ellis interviews Tim to better understand how “what makes us bizarrely and uniquely human” can be used to help us drive growth. 
The conversation is spirited as Tim holds some contrarian views to Sean when it comes to driving growth through high-velocity testing and optimization practices. However, there is also plenty of common ground as they discuss how the biology of the brain impacts everything from interpersonal relationships to politics, and how an understanding of these ideas can be applied to accelerate growth for businesses.
Both Sean and Tim are passionate about the importance of driving value for end-users as the foundation for unlocking growth, and there are exciting learnings as Tim explains how “relentless dissatisfaction” can help companies find opportunities to drive significant improvements. According to Tim, “‘Unleash Your Primal Brain’ may help you make a billion dollars or even become the next Dalai Lama, but at the very least this interview will help you understand how a deeper look into your own brain can help you understand and influence others.
We discussed: 

How neuro-marketing and principles from ‘Influence’ by Robert Cialdini’s helped shape Tim’s thinking and his book
How the biology of the brain and cultural and genetic co-evolution impact our lives as humans
The do-nothing status quo and why companies fail when they try to be nice instead of appealing to our survival instincts to avoid pain
Why companies need to focus on value over product and put the emphasis on learning from customers
How neurobiology and science fit into the test/learn approach to growth
How motivation, ability and triggers work together to drive action