My friend, Phil Ideson and I talk about savings. And naturally when two procurement guys get into a conversation about savings, debate ensues! Is cost avoidance real savings? Is cost reduction just a price argument? Phil and I get on our soap boxes about savings and have a great time in the process. For sales people, this is good insight for you to understand what procurement people are measured on. ALL SHOW NOTES AND LINKS AT: negotiations.ninja/podcast