Today we welcome special guest, three time Olympian and Women's Physique Pro Jamie Pinder! We open up our conversation learning about how Jamie started as a bikini competitor and how she transitioned into an IFBB women's physique pro. Then we dive into Jamie's introduction and experience with PEDs and the psychology behind why people start a cycle. We discuss what PED abuse means and what to look out for. Jamie then outlines what questions you should be asking your coach as well as how to find a good coach that will lead you in the right direction when it comes to anabolics. Then we close discussing the importance of blood work, having a healthy relationship with PEDs and why you should always post cycle. At the end of this podcast Jamie offers our listeners a discount on her newest course, ABC Primer to PEDs, which will intro you to better understanding PEDs and when/if you should consider them. Make sure to connect with Jamie on Instagram! Follow the Grow or Die Podcast IG for daily clips from your favorite episodes. This episode is brought to you by Revive Supplements and RAW Nutrition. Use code Mihaly20 at checkout. @JMIHALYFIT @SCOTTSIMNZ