Jeff invites Ginger Lapid-Bogda back on the show to further explore the Enneagram and her new book “Transform your Team with the Enneagram. Build trust, decrease stress, and increase productivity.” Ginger helps us take a pragmatic look at team dynamics and shows us how the different Enneagram types relate to the “forming, storming, norming, and performing" model.

Ginger shares a great definition of psychological safety, which is the belief that you won’t be humiliated or punished for sharing your thoughts and feelings. She also talks about the importance of feeling safe to take personal and interpersonal risks with others. Jeff and Ginger discuss the difference between a group and a team, and why impatience is the greatest enemy of becoming a high-performing team.