In this episode Judith Germain speaks to Sally Percy about what it takes to become an icon. Judith and Sally discuss Sally's favourite business icons, including Satoshi Nakamoto and Elon Musk. They talk about the findings from Sally's book about 21st Century Business Icons, and the importance of businesses working for the greater good and the challenges women face in being seen as Extreme Mavericks in leadership roles. Judith and Sally talk about the importance of individuals who have made a significant impact on the world through their businesses, such as Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos, and how their existence has influenced other companies and industries. They discuss the importance of education beyond test scores, emphasising the value of developing knowledge, critical thinking skills, and a global perspective. They also highlighted the benefits of studying history for understanding context and challenging assumptions. Sally Percy is a business journalist and editor, and author of 21st Century Business Icons: The leaders who are changing our world. You can find out more about our guest and today's episode in this Maverick Paradox Magazine article here. --- Maverick leadership is all about thinking outside the box and challenging the status quo. It's about having the courage to take risks and the confidence to lead in a way that is authentic and genuine. But amplifying your influence as a leader isn't just about having a strong vision or a big personality. It's also about having the right leadership capability and being able to execute on your ideas and plans. The consequences of not having the right level of influence as a leader can be significant. Without the ability to inspire and motivate others, you may struggle to achieve your goals and make a real impact. How Influential Are you? Take the scorecard at amplifyyourinfluence.scoreapp.com and see.  Judith's book: The Maverick Paradox: The Secret Power Behind Successful Leaders.  Judith's websites:  The Maverick Paradox Magazine - themaverickparadox.com The Maverick Paradox Website - maverickparadox.co.uk Judith's LinkedIn profile is here, her Twitter profile (MaverickMastery) is here, Facebook here and Instagram here.