In this WorkWell podcast, Jen Fisher, editor-at-large for Thrive Global’s Human Sustainability Hub and Human Sustainability Leader at Deloitte, sits down with best-selling author and executive coach Brad Stulberg, author of the new book Master Of Change: How to Excel When Everything is Changing - Including You. In their wide-ranging conversation, Brad and Jen share mindset shifts and Microsteps for embracing change, establishing routines, and navigating it all with less stress and more joy.