In this episode Judith Germain speaks to Rich Kirkpatrick about creativity, curiosity, and the importance of thinking differently. Rich shares his belief that creative thinking is what humans do when they are thriving. They discuss the importance of shifting perspectives and being open-minded in unlocking one's creative genius. They also explore the concept of invention, where one sees the potential in their surroundings and uses their imagination to create something new.  Rich and Judith discuss the creative process and the importance of curiosity in generating new ideas. They explore the stages of preparation, incubation, illumination, and elaboration, highlighting the iterative nature of the creative process. They also discuss the importance of embracing different thinking methods and perspectives in order to unlock breakthroughs and create change. Together they explore the concept of multiple frames or realities in leadership, emphasising the need to consider various aspects such as HR, structure, symbolism, and politics. Judith explains that leadership is an emergent system that requires adaptive thinking for success. This conversation explores the beauty and magic of creativity and its metaphysical connection. Rich Kirkpatrick, is the author of MINDBLOWN: Unlock your creative genius by bridging science and magic. You can find out more about our guest and today's episode in this Maverick Paradox Magazine article here. --- Maverick leadership is all about thinking outside the box and challenging the status quo. It's about having the courage to take risks and the confidence to lead in a way that is authentic and genuine. But amplifying your influence as a leader isn't just about having a strong vision or a big personality. It's also about having the right leadership capability and being able to execute on your ideas and plans. The consequences of not having the right level of influence as a leader can be significant. Without the ability to inspire and motivate others, you may struggle to achieve your goals and make a real impact. How Influential Are you? Take the scorecard at amplifyyourinfluence.scoreapp.com and see.  Judith's websites:  The Maverick Paradox Magazine - themaverickparadox.com Company Website - maverickparadox.co.uk Judith's LinkedIn profile is here, her Twitter profile (MaverickMastery) is here, Facebook here and Instagram here.