This is an episode for The Maverick Paradox @ KLDR Online Leadership Radio. Judith Germain hosts this radio show, and her guest today is Donnie MacNicol and they are discussing how to act like a catalyst to deliver complex change. They look at the challenges and potential solutions to complex change. Donnie MacNicol is the founder of Team Animation which works across multiple sectors energising leaders and teams delivering complex change to maximise value and certainty of success through a focus on the human dimension. Donnie acts as a catalyst to support organisations to improve their collaboration and productivity – aspects that will be critical to tackling the many challenges we face today including climate change and in particular in meeting the NetZero target. They have an interesting conversation where Donnie shares his leadership hacks and surprises Judith with questions on Maverick Leadership that he has been pondering. If you wish to listen to The Maverick Paradox @KLDR Online Leadership Development Radio as the episodes are broadcasted, then visit the KLDROnline website. Judith's websites:  The Maverick Paradox Magazine - themaverickparadox.com Company Website - maverickparadox.co.uk Judith's LinkedIn profile is here, her Twitter profile (MaverickMastery) is here, Facebook here and Instagram here.