This is an episode for The Maverick Paradox @ KLDR. Judith Germain hosts this radio show, and her guest today is Genine Whitehorne and they are discussing how to be a change leader in the public sector. Genine says that the Public Sector needs to ponder the question 'So what?' more often and not just think of Policy Making. She talks about the need for good enabling governance especially as Councils are dealing with such huge budgets. Genine shares how not respecting the hierarchy has enabled real change in the public sector, something that will surprise leaders! She is  a change leader working with councils to realise the potential of their communities and local resources. A natural disruptor, Genine challenges people to think and do different. She leads whole system service design, strategic commissioning and partnership development with a focus on added social value. They have an interesting conversation where Genine shares her leadership hacks and surprises Judith with questions on Maverick Leadership that she has been pondering and what's it like to be underestimated. If you wish to listen to The Maverick Paradox @KLDR as the episodes are broadcasted then visit KLDR Online. Judith's websites:  The Maverick Paradox Magazine - themaverickparadox.com Company Website - maverickparadox.co.uk Judith's LinkedIn profile is here, her Twitter profile (MaverickMastery) is here, Facebook here and Instagram here.