With the US election coming down to the wire and Giving Tuesday coming up fast, Jamie McDonald's emphasis on transformation struck a note that resonated across all we've endured in 2020. In this conversation with Justin Wheeler, Funraise CEO and Co-founder, Jamie's advice might take Nonstop Nonprofit Podcast listeners by surprise—while Justin normally champions digital expertise as essential to our sector's future, Jamie's argument that digital fluency is less important than starting where you are is powerful... and accurate.In this episode of Nonstop Nonprofit, Justin and Jamie talk nonprofit shop: the value of transformation in building your movement, separating successful strategies from digital fluency, the power of the collective to bring dreams to life, and what you need to start where you are.