Dr Tjanara Goreng Goreng is a Wakka Wakka Wulli Wulli Traditional Owner from Central Queensland, Australia, and Robyn Katz is the founder of Talkpoint, which curates peer-to-peer learning experiences to humanise work. We talk about Tjanara’s PhD research which draws parallels between aboriginal culture and eldership, and Robert Kegan’s psychological development research and the idea of “sacred leadership”. Both women share what they have learned through their own personal transformation journeys, and what’s needed now in the world in terms of leadership development. Resources: Talkpoint page featuring videos and other content about Tjanara’s sacred leadership doctorate OneINMA Global (website for sacred leadership mentoring, programs and transformational leadership consulting) Tjanara’s book “A Long Way from No Go” Leadermorphosis episode with Margaret Wheatley talking about warriors for the human spirit About Theory U