In this episode Judith Germain speaks to Bruno Pesec about 'playing lean' and the importance of ensuring the curiosity of the young endures into adulthood. This is a conversation about how to use the Maverick Mindset in the context of corporate innovation. The leader's job isn't to have all the answers but allowing the space for innovation. Understanding the relationships to the systems and to the people, and seperating ideas from people is extremely impoartant. Bruno is an insightful guest sharing his reflections on innovation, how to make it happen and how leaders can lead their teams via their curiosity. If you are looking to provide the right environment for innovation - this is a must listen. Judith's websites:  The Maverick Paradox Magazine - themaverickparadox.com Company Website - maverickparadox.co.uk Judith's LinkedIn profile is here, her Twitter profile (MaverickMastery) is here, Facebook here and Instagram here.