Today's episode was originally recorded in May 2020. In today's show Judith Germain speaks to Dr Jeffrey Spahn about the next evolution of leadership and followership, and the need for a curious approach. Jeffrey explains the essential steps that are required to lead other leaders in the digital age. Judith shares how martial artists demonstrates this skills naturally, and Jeff explains how Jazz muscians do these. This is an interesting conversation on the nature of leadership and followership. Listen up to the rest of the conversation. If you wish to listen to The Maverick Paradox @KLDR Online Leadership Development Radio as the episodes are broadcasted, then visit the KLDROnline website. Judith's websites:  The Maverick Paradox Magazine - themaverickparadox.com Company Website - maverickparadox.co.uk Judith's LinkedIn profile is here, her Twitter profile (MaverickMastery) is here, Facebook here and Instagram here.