Lonnie, Rob and Phil catch up with natural pro bodybuilders Layne Norton and Ben Hartman, despite Skype's inability to obey our commands. Then Ben educates us on how the term -natural- differs from terms like legal, drug tested, etc. What equals natural? How do natural bodybuilders prepare differently for a competition? How do they make money, if any, from their sport? Tune in and find out! ***Finally, we'd like to start a new section here in our feed notes - appreciation of deserving listeners. Here's a hearty thanks to some of our newest supporting members, like JR, Jon, and Seth, for stepping up to help us improve Internet media for bodybuilders and strength athletes. Fifty thanks, guys! Your mugs are on the way!***