In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Natalie Knowlton discuss:The growing number of people DIYing their legal needs and why lawyers should be concerned. Non-lawyer ownership of law firms. Why lawyers should embrace thoughtful legal regulatory reform. Emerging business models in the practice of law.  Key Takeaways:Law is both a profession and a business. Your law firm should be running as an actual business that provides legal services. Consumers are responding to the commoditization of the law - it is a way that consumers recognize and understand how to use. You can monetize legal information. There is a level of legal information you can package and sell that the average person just doesn’t know. Technology is causing a disruption and a change in the legal industry. That technology, such as AI, is likely here to stay and is only going to get more sophisticated. "Regulatory reform is here to stay. I think the level of opposition we are seeing is a testament to the fact that it is here to stay." —  Natalie KnowltonGet a free copy of Steve’s book “Sales-Free Selling” here: www.fretzin.com/sales-free-selling Thank you to our Sponsors!Lawmatics: https://www.lawmatics.com/bethatlawyer/Get Staffed Up: https://getstaffedup.com/bethatlawyer/Get Visible: https://www.getvisible.com/ Episode References: Final Event of 2023!: https://fretzin.com/eventsTalk Justice: https://legaltalknetwork.com/podcasts/talk-justice/Mathew Kerbis: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mathewrobertkerbis/ About Natalie Knowlton: Natalie Anne Knowlton is the Founder of Access to Justice Ventures, empowering entrepreneurs who are developing scalable access to justice solutions. She is a 2023 ABA Journal Legal Rebel and is listed among the ABA Legal Technology Resource Center’s 2022 Women of Legal Tech. Connect with Natalie Knowlton:  Website: https://a2jventures.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natalieanneknowlton/Twitter: https://twitter.com/natalalleycat   Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-Sturkie Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.