There’s a lot of appeal to working for a flashy, up-and-coming startup. But Joe Lee, VP of Growth Marketing at Ontra, has always focused on achieving the best job titles and experiences instead of working for the “sexiest” companies. For Joe, growth marketing provided the perfect opportunities to advance in his career and get to where he is today. Growth marketing has become the de facto title for the person on the marketing team dedicated to growth, whether it’s through users, leads, pipeline, or revenue. In this episode, Joe talks to us about the importance of listening to leading indicators, why marketing should partner with sales in account-based marketing, and how to maintain empathy as you rise in the ranks of leadership.Show TopicsOptimize for experience and titleBe a canary in a coal mineStrategize with your decksPartner with salesHyperfocus on a small groupCare about multi-marketing metricsInvest in direct mailNegotiate with your CFOControl your narrative Don’t lose your empathyShow Links Check out Ontra Follow Joe Lee on LinkedIn and TwitterPast guests on The Long Game podcast include: Morgan Brown (Shopify), Ryan Law (Animalz), Dan Shure (Evolving SEO), Kaleigh Moore (freelancer), Eric Siu (Clickflow), Peep Laja (CXL), Chelsea Castle (Chili Piper), Tracey Wallace (Klaviyo), Tim Soulo (Ahrefs), Ryan McReady (Reforge), and many more.Some interviews you might enjoy and learn from:Actionable Tips and Secrets to SEO Strategy with Dan Shure (Evolving SEO)Building Competitive Marketing Content with Sam Chapman (Aprimo)How to Build the Right Data Workflow with Blake Burch (Shipyard)Data-Driven Thought Leadership with Alicia Johnston (Sprout Social)Purpose-Driven Leadership & Building a Content Team with Ty Magnin (UiPath)Also, check out our Kitchen Side series where we take you behind the scenes to see how the sausage is made at our agency:Blue Ocean vs Red Ocean SEOShould You Hire Writers or Subject Matter Experts?How Do Growth and Content Overlap?Connect with Omniscient Digital on social:Twitter: @beomniscientLinkedin: Be OmniscientListen to more episodes of The Long Game podcast here: https://beomniscient.com/podcast/