Ann-Murray Brown is Jamaican and lived and studied in South Korea for some years before adopting The Netherlands as her second home. She is a seasoned monitoring and evaluation expert and has been involved in consultancies funded and implemented by the United Nations, the European Commission and others. She has conducted and commissioned many evaluations and designed Results-Based Management (RBM) systems to measure performance of programmes implemented in Bangladesh, Bolivia, Burundi, Colombia, Ethiopia, Ghana, Jamaica, Sierra Leone and several countries in Asia. The main focus of her work is Evaluation Capacity Building (ECB). Using visual storytelling, she translates technical M&E concepts and jargon into accessible language and conducts virtual and onsite workshops to this end.  She speaks to us about monitoring and evaluation capacity building, participatory and bottoms up approaches, working as a civil servant, going beyond the idea of evaluation as a policing role, the importance of learning and accountability, having a seat at the table and representation, communities of practice, adaptive management and the COVID-19 pandemic, learning from mistakes, donor requirements, the different priorities of NGO vs private sector clients, applying a gendered lens, and much more. She joins us from Amsterdam, Netherlands. Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/rethinkingdevelopment)