This episode of The Lazy CEO Podcast is about creating advocacy. We have Heather Hansen, who is the CEO of Advocate to Win, and she is going to talk to us about advocating our positions and persuading people. Heather shares her background as a lawyer and how that has led to her expertise in persuasion and expertise. Heather defended doctors in medical malpractice cases. One of the things that made that job the hardest is that every single person in that courtroom was a patient. Everyone saw the case through a patient's eyes, and her job was to change their perspective and help them succeed in the case through the doctor's eyes. And that is the main job of an advocate. This led Heather to this practice of advocacy and teaching advocacy.  What is Advocacy? Advocating is influencing, it's persuading, it's convincing, it’s changing minds, it's changing hearts. It's helping people believe what you want them to believe, and it's turning other people into your advocates. The first question to ask is who is your jury? And CEOs have many juries. Their board is a jury at a particular time. They're stakeholders, their clients, their customers, and their team. But we have to know who the jury is so we know how to speak to them.  Compassion, Curiosity, and Credibility Credibility is where we focus - the belief triangle. You want your jury to believe you. When you make a promise, you keep it. When you set expectations, you meet them, you want them to believe in you, and that you have the experience, the talent, and the capacity to do the thing you promise to do. And the part that most people forget is to believe that you can help them, that you understand their problem, their perspective, their point of view, and that you can help it. There are times, especially for CEOs, when you must knock down someone else's credibility or question someone else's credibility. How do you do that effectively, how do you use due diligence and look for inconsistencies to make decisions that are going to serve the people that you want to serve? TIP: Questions are magic. A great question can mean the difference between winning and losing a case. You can't prove it until you believe it. You have to have that energy of belief. It's one of the parts of credibility. It's energy and evidence. You have to have that energy of belief and then the evidence as well, in order to help your jury of clients, customers, stakeholders, and board members believe as well. Empathy vs Perspective Empathy is feeling what others feel and perspective is seeing what they see. And you must not necessarily feel what they feel. For example, in the courtroom, defendants are frustrated, angry, scared, and confused. If their lawyer feels those feelings, they are not of service to them. So the empathy piece isn't always imperative depending on the situation, the perspective piece, which is what you're really talking about, is the cognitive part. Seeing what they see is imperative. Seeing it from their perspective and owning it is a credibility multiplier. Use your perspective to own where there are problems and boost your credibility. Advocating for Yourself Here is an example - a woman came to the CEO to advocate for a change in their policy with respect to working at home and taking care of children. She was a very strong advocate. She had stories, she had evidence, she had the energy of belief and he listened to her and he decided that she was right. And this is even though she was advocating. Then once he made the change to the policy because she had advocated so well, she became his strongest advocate. She told everybody in the business, she told everybody outside of the business, you need to come work for this company. There is no one who can advocate for you and your ideas and your potential better than you can because you have your stories and your evidence and your passion and your heart, and you know what your negotiables and your non-negotiables are. These tools will help you wi