Jim Schlecker, CEO of The CEO Project and host of The Lazy CEO Podcast has a conversation with Dr. David Burkus.  David: I help leaders and teams do their best work ever. I think two things fundamentally. One is that work is central to our lives. Even if we had universal basic income and everybody was being paid, most people would still want to do something and make some contribution to the world. So work is central to our lives. And that work is teamwork. Your experience of work, whether or not you're engaged or motivated, whether or not you actually want to put your whole effort into something is shaped less so by broad company culture and more by the teams that you're on. And for a CEO, this is your job. Whether you are the CEO or a middle manager, no matter what team you lead, you are responsible for the culture of that team. That's what I focus on, is teaching teams and teaching team leaders how to have a culture that actually unlocks high performance, unlocks motivation, allows them to be more innovative et cetera. Jim: Let’s talk about culture and culture management. Your comment is culture is experienced locally. And so how do we as leaders of scaled organizations deal with the fact that culture is experienced locally, not globally, feels like we don't have the levers of control on that one. So how, how do you help people with that? David: So what do you do to scale culture? You teach leaders at all levels what a great team culture looks like, and you make them responsible for the one on their team. I look at it as sort of concentric circles. What do we as an organization want to be about? What are our values, mission, vision, et cetera? And then you have to teach every leader at every level to do the same thing in a smaller circle. Inside that larger circle, you run into problems when you let leaders do something that's against the corporate-wide values, the company-wide values, and culture, but as long as it's inside of it, every team is going to have a stronger culture that is still a little bit different from other teams inside the organization. Culture is everybody's job. It's not just that senior leader job and you teach them specifically. There are decades of research on corporate culture and effective culture, et cetera. But when you dive down into team culture, it is easier to focus on. It becomes a little bit easier to teach every team leader what they're responsible for. Jim: I'm a CEO. What are the factors that make a great team culture that I should be thinking about and teaching? David: I boil it down to three factors, which I call common understanding, psychological safety, and pro-social purpose. Psychological Safety What we're not talking about is a place where you'll never confront a dissenting opinion. We're actually talking about the opposite. We're talking about an environment where people feel safe to state their dissenting opinions, and where there's a climate of mutual trust and respect. When you have a high level of trust and respect, you can have task-focused conflict. You can have people speaking up when they disagree. And you get a team that's more willing to admit their failures. And I think that's probably the biggest element of psychological safety that has nothing to do with safe spaces and that sort of thing. I mean, by the way, there's no such thing as safe spaces. There are only safe people. But that's a whole other monologue. You learn from failure because you cultivate a team where people trust everyone else on the team is not going to leverage their mistakes and their screw-ups to try and step over that person into a promotion. Instead, we acknowledge we had a learning moment here. We failed. Failures happen from time to time. And as long as you're not grossly incompetent in failing all the time, as long as this isn't a performance issue, then the failure's really just a learning moment. Let's talk about it and let's learn from it.  Common Understanding Common