In the initial episodes of this podcast, your hosts talked coaching & being an athlete. In this one we explore the challenges Michael confronted as he started Atreyu & how those align with running & culture in general. Some highlights include: pain points, pain & anxiety yield really tasty fruit, life is a mysterious thing, reason is not alway best, stealing the culture, losses are more valuable than wins & many other things.As John says at the end of this conversation:"The world is round, we'll get there."