In this episode of the Customer Experience Superheroes podcast we meet Jochem Van de Veer, CEO of They Do. Host Christopher Brooks speaks with Jochem about the progression from Customer Journey mapping, a recognised practice for identifying customer pain points and new opportunities, to Customer Journey Management, where the emphasis shifts to action to be achieved from mapping.In conversation they discuss the shortfalls of the way many are coached to developed customer journey maps, and the impact and positive impression on senior management which 'managing' customer journeys can achieve beyond just mapping.