Joe De Sena has always been an entrepreneur, but he is best known as the co-founder of the Spartan Races, and the host of the Spartan Up! podcast. With the sound of another Spartan Race being built at Dodger Stadium in the background, he talks with the Commander about the past few years spent in Southeast Asia and China spreading the Spartan brand and his own, personal fitness approach. He's a legend and a master of forging ahead no matter the odds. Find out about: The importance of his mother's yoga practices and spiritual beliefs to how he still thinks about fitness The joy and freedom he felt in losing his smartphone The extreme difficulty he has in sitting quietly to meditate. Listen to this casual and friendly episode to hear how more about the journey of the Spartan Races from where they began to where they are now.