Monica Miklas and Lauren Ludwig travel through the fringe, to the front lines of immersive entertainment. Encountering overzealous onlookers, confused law enforcement, and a lifelong frustration with the 4th wall; they solve the problems that come with being on the front edge of a new wave. Based in LA, they are the skilled weavers of wonder that co-founded Capital WKnown for their shows: Red Flags, Rochester, 1996, and Hamlet Mobile. They have both spoken and taught at the Hollywood Fringe Festival, produced shows in Denver, and sustained a continuing run of the infinitely fascinating ‘Red Flags’ since 2017. In this episode: we discuss immersive entertainment as a tool for cultural realignment, the hazards of confused onlookers, the barrier to entry, and why you shouldn't think that a Disney or Meow Wolf budget is needed to create impactful and inspiring immersive entertainment. Make it immersive: [20:50]‘His Dark Materials’ and ‘Clue’Selected links from episode:Capital WHis dark materials Agatha christie comedy / clueDevised work (theatre terminology)Toon TownSleep no moreHamlet mobile Red FlagsRochester 1996Filming permits in LAMeow Wolf DenverTales by Candle LightMore than 5 sensesShow Notes:World of choice: [2:15]Their path to and with immersion [4:14]The first why behind the creative drive [8:17]Knowing it’s fake, critical distance, and safety [10:20]Story: Cops, helicopters, and very confused samaritans [13:30]The illusion of Danger [17:10]Onboarding bystanders [18:50]Make it immersive! [20:50]His dark materials [21:28]Clue [26:46]Rapid fire [28:07]Excited about upcoming immersion experience. Meow Wolf Denver [28:27]Smell in immersion [28:50]Immersion’s impact on today's culture [30:30]About Capital W! [31:35]Lauren and Monica's recommendations [32:46]More Episodes: ImmersionNation.com/podcast or your favorite podcast platform