Today, Top Chef alum (Seasons 3 and 10) and Champion (Duels), former member of the US National Volleyball Team, and Chef Partner for Aba and ?ma for Lettuce Entertain You Enterprises, CJ Jacobson sits down with Richard in Chicago. CJ discusses his more non-traditional path after Top Chef, including when he chose to work at Noma in Copenhagen so he could observe Chef René Redzepi. Richard and Chef Jacobson talk about the influences his time as a professional Volleyball player have had on his work ethic and competitive spirit in the kitchen. And CJ explains how he feels patience and a positive perspective have brought him the best results working with his staff to foster culinary creativity. Remember to join us on social @Starving4Pod.