In this episode, Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by Jason Frank.  Jason has an extensive background in helping both government and Fortune 100 organizations, and has served a course instructor for the Black Hat security conference. Jason is now currently the COO at SpecterOps, where he is accountable for execution of the company. He oversees the Adversary Simulation and Detection delivery capabilities, where he helps clients to understand, detect, and respond to adversaries. May 17, 2021   00:00 – Intro  Social-Engineer.com  Social-Engineer.org  InnocentLivesFoundation.org  Human Hacking Book  Vishing as a Service (VaaS)  Phishing as a Service (PHaaS)  HumanHackingBook.com  Slack Channel  @HumanHacker on Twitter  CLUTCH  03:05 – Podcast Guest Jason Frank Intro   03:22 – Jason at BlackHat  03:30 - SpecterOps  04:34 – How Jason got to where he is  08:50 – Curiousity and motivation born from failing at a CTF  09:50 – Adversary Simulation – why is Jason using this phrase?  12:32 – Where are we in the current security culture?  16:11 – How to get attention of stakeholders, what concepts do you put in play?  18:03 – Reactive vs. Proactive  21:56 – How can corporations prepare for and mitigate attacks?  23:39 – What are the business repercussions of not letting machines talk to each other, and only the server?  25:45 – What are the more recent attacks you’ve seen coming up that people should be looking for?  28:14 – Knowledge bombs – terminology that people can look up to recognize “low hanging fruit” they may be missing – Bloodhound  30:00 – Cycles where certain things can be exploited such as ActiveDirectory  30:50 – What other things do companies need to be watching for  32:14  – PowerShell  33:44 – What are some action steps that corporations should start taking right now?  34:51 – Colleagues Jason respects most in the industry  Andrew Morris founder of GreyNoise  Dane Stuckey from Palantir  Jason Hill from DHS CISA  Bryan Beyer and Keith McCammon from Red Canary  36:50 – Jason's Book Recommendations  Creativity Inc.  Principles: Life and Work  Get A Grip  38:31 – Wrap-Up  @jasonjfrank on Twitter  Jason J Frank on LinkedIn  @joemontmania on Twitter (Ryan MacDougall)  @HumanHacker on Twitter (Chris Hadnagy)  @InnocentOrg on Twitter (Innocent Lives Foundation)