This is a MAMMOTH episode with the legendary co-founder of the Employees Only bar empire, co-founder of The 86 Co (famous for Ford's Gin and recently acquired by Brown Forman), author of "Speakeasy" and certified good time, Dushan Zaric, a friend of mine for going on twenty years now. It's so hilariously amateurishly edited (we did two recording sessions) that after about an hour it almost sounds like we've finished, but we didn't; we went on to do another 2.5 hours or so after that! It's everything you ever wanted to hear: teaching young folk nowadays, opening a bar without sewage because you're broke, AI, Dr. Hostetter's bitters, Khoosh bitters, a toast to Trans Day of Visibility (we recorded it on that day, y'see), Dushan officiating at my wedding, a couple of brand-new genever cocktails, and much, much, much more. Dushan's great new YouTube show is 4am Chicken Soup, and his IG handle is @4amchickensoup. EO is @employeesonlyny and Macao Trading Company (where we recorded the second half) is @macaonyc Khoosh bitters is @khooshbitter on IG, and Dr. Hostetter's is @drhostetters, both from the fine chaps at @phoenyxspiritsFollow me on Twitter @philipduff Instagram @philipsduff LinkedIn: Philip Duff.