In this conversation Judith Germain speaks to Robert Kerbeck who is classed as the greatest ever corporate spy. They talk about what a corporate spy is and how you become one and whether you should be one. Robert shares his journey from his recruitment, dodging the FBI and other law agencies, to what made him give up the life. They also discuss what corporate spies do and why actors make great spies. Robert's book Ruse is going to be turned into a TV series, after being given praise by Frank Abagnale, author of Catch me if you can. Frank is quoted on the cover of RUSE, saying 'Robert Kerbeck has mastered the art of social engineering, or what he calls 'rusing', and taken it to a whole new level'. This conversation explores the world of corporate spies, and what it takes to become one. Robert Kerbeck's true crime memoir, RUSE: Lying the American Dream from Hollywood to Wall Street is the story of how a wannabe actor became the world's greatest spy. Listen to Robert's unbelievable story and what you can do to avoid the corporate spy in your midst. Judith's websites:  The Maverick Paradox Magazine - themaverickparadox.com Company Website - maverickparadox.co.uk Judith's LinkedIn profile is here, her Twitter profile (MaverickMastery) is here, Facebook here and Instagram here.