Sarah welcomes therapist Kate Kneifel, MSW, LCSW, who shares running games that can change your outlook and approach to running—and life. This one-on-one conversation (co-host Katie scoots after the intro chitchat) zigs and zags in delightful directions, including:

detailing running games you’ve never considered;

how creativity and playfulness can invigorate your relationship with running;

the value of giving your brain “something to chew on”;

the joy of small things; and,

how to get “unstuck.”

Before Katie ducks out of the episode, the hosting duo laughs over an unexpected TMI topic. Kate the therapist enters the scene at 19:14.
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