Welcome to the Human Performance Outliers Podcast with hosts Dr. Shawn Baker and Zach Bitter. For this episode, we welcome Gary Taubes onto the show. Gary  is an investigative science and health journalist and co-founder of the non-profit Nutrition Science Initiative (NuSI.org). He is the author of The Case Against Sugar (2016), Why We Get Fat and What to Do About It (2011) and Good Calories, Bad Calories (2007), published as The Diet Delusion in the UK. Taubes is the recipient of a Robert Wood Johnson Foundation Investigator Award in Health Policy Research, and has won numerous other awards for his journalism.   Consider supporting us: - https://www.patreon.com/HPOpodcast or https://www.paypal.me/hpopod Thank you Butcher Box, https://butcherbox.com, for sponsoring the show. You can receive a discount on a subscription by typing in promo code "HPO" at checkout. @butcher_box (IG) and @ButcherBox (Twitter). Instagram handles: @shawnbaker1967, @zachbitter   Twitter handles: @SBakerMD, @zbitter, @garytaubes   Facebook handles: Shawn Baker, @zach.bitter, @taubesgary   Website URLs: zachbitter.com , shawn-baker.com, garytaubes.com   If you would like to contact the show, please send your emails to hpopodcast@gmail.com