Judith Simmer-Brown, Ph. D is a Distinguished Professor of Contemplative and Religious Studies at Naropa University and one of the senior most meditation teachers in the Shambhala Buddhist organization. Judith and Julian discuss the scandal and allegations involving 'the Sakyong', who has been the leader of Shambhala for many years. Judith shares about her life long journey with meditation and spirituality and her work in higher education to bring contemplative practices and mindfulness to universities and schools across the world.

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