Julian and Scott discuss Scott's life and journey with meditation and his being ordained as a monk by the Dalai Lama. After 9 years he decided to no longer be a monk in the formal sense and has been exploring relationships and paths of healing while he continues to teach meditation and guide people on their path. We discuss the role of psychological work and relationships have in the context of meditation and differences between pre-modern world and our contemporary society and the question of Evolution and "Progress" and what that can mean both for the individual and for our society at large.

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