Julian and Scott discuss relative truth, how to establish if something is true in the context of 'fake news' and 'alternative facts.' They discuss the teacher -student relationship on one's spiritual path in the context of all the scandals currently afflicting spiritual communities often due to absues from the "guru" and Scott shares his experience of working closely with a spiritual teacher, which has been a positive relationship in his own life. They also talk about race and some other challenging topics.

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