In depth conversation with Robert MacNaughton. Robert was the director and founder of the Integral Center in Boulder, Colorado and has taught and developed the interpersonal meditation practice of Circling. In this far ranging conversation, Julian and Robert discuss our post modern age and the giant 'religion sized hole' in our collective psyche, the dignities and disasters of our postmodern age, what the practice of Circling is and how it is an integral practice of relating, the challenges and rewards of being the director of the Integral Center over the last decade, the problems that come with over emphasis on deconstruction, and a refreshing note of optimism for the future of humanity and our planet EARTH.

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