**Complicated Woman Rating (Jen & Judy) Kate unpacks the many layers of grieving widow Jen, including her defining characteristic: anger. Carinn describes Judy a liar and a murderer, but acknowledges her other positive attributes, particularly as she relates to Jen. Both agree these two women are complicated and that their friendship is the heart of this show. (01:38)**Jen or Judy - who do we relate to more? Kate declares “it’s not even close” -- she feels like she's all Jen. Carinn relates to Jen’s anger (as we'll hear first hand later!) but notes that we each have a little Judy in us. (10:56)**Conflict is all around. Carinn observes that conflict is present in every element of this show: the characters, the setting, and the music. The cinematography and setting create brilliant visual tension. The music is also another level of conflict: dark scenes and content being narrated by old-fashioned upbeat songs. (16:11)**Scenes: love, lies, and manslaughterKate discusses the pilot episode’s many plot reveals and reversals, including when Jen discovers that Judy is lying and Steve is not actually dead and that Judy is the one that killed Jen’s husband, Ted (19:09); The episode on Ted’s birthday/celebration of life was full of surprises, but Carinn especially loves the tension of the notes in the balloons and what might be revealed, including Ted’s affair (27:58); Kate recounts the scene where Jen and Judy confront Ted’s mistress and how the two of them help each other with their respective relationship issues, but in the end Carinn is pissed at Judy’s selfish reveal to Jen that Ted killed her to his mistress (32:33); Carinn talks about the Friends of Heaven retreat, which brings poignant empathy for Judy who struggles with whether she is “broken” in the miscarriage workshop scene and shows another example of something that could only have been written by a woman (42:32); Kate loves the scene where Jen finally confesses to Judy, which is more than just Judy finally coming clean, it turns out to be one of the most vulnerable scenes for Jen (49:08); Carinn brings it home with a discussion of the finale when Jen evens the score as Steve floats face down in the pool. (53:53) **What She Said - Liz Feldman. Kate reveals why Liz Feldman leaned into Jen’s anger, which turned out to be more than likable - it’s completely relatable. Carinn talks about a quote on Liz Feldman’s duality, which is so present in Jen and Judy, concluding that tapping into one’s duality is where the magic happens. (57:28)**Crystal ball. Carinn and Kate speculate about what’s coming for Jen & Judy in Season Two, which will be released soon. (70:41)**Takeaways. Kate’s takeaway comes from another Liz Feldman quote about the secret to creating something authentic: find your wound and then try to find a way to express it. Carinn’s takeaway shines a light on friends and creative partners who act as mirrors, reminding you of who you are and who you've always been...like US! (75:50) Follow us on Instagram and Facebook @popfictionwomen and on Twitter @pop_women. Email us at cjadebarry [at] gmail. To do a full deep dive, check out our website at www.popfictionwomen.comStay Complicated!Subscribe or follow for new episodes every WednesdaySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.