With Joanna and Adam both out, Zach speaks with two creatives in the beer and cider space. First, cartoonist Em Sauter of Pints and Panels discusses her career as a beer-centric cartoonist and illustrator, her recent article about Citra and Mosaic hops, and her love of the Cold IPA. Then author Beth Demmon joins to preview her upcoming book, The Beer Lover’s Guide to Cider, and why American craft cider is so fascinating. Please remember to subscribe to, rate, and review VinePair on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your episodes, and send any questions, comments, critiques, or suggestions to podcast@vinepair.com. Thanks for listening, and be well.Instagram: @adamteeter, @jcsciarrino, @zgeballe, @vinepairTwitter: @adamteeter @joannasciarrino, @zgeballe, @vinepair Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.