Hurts So Good author Leigh Cowart joined me for a conversation about pervertibles, aka making kink tools out of what you've got on hand! We also talked about the ever-moving goal posts of masochism and how to make your journey sustainable, joyful, and ever-more perverse. Join Patreon at $11/month to get the complete interview here, as well as access to the archives of interviews with discussions ranging from how to find a sex positive therapist, to how to navigate your local kink scene, to the scientific origins of masochism. Oh yeah, and my only recorded convo with Mr. Dune.  Get Leigh's book here! Follow Leigh anywhere by searching @voraciousbrain To support the pod and join our thriving ask a sub community of kinky pocket friends, Join Patreon starting at $5/month!  Miss the Friday Q&As? They live on here & are totally free and public. Submit questions for this podcast as voice memos to podcast@askasub.com  Go here for information on how to record a voice memo   Subscribe to the subby substack here. Twitter | @Lina.Dune | @askasub2.0 CREDITS Created, Hosted, Produced and Edited by Lina Dune With Additional Support from Mr. Dune Artwork by Kayleigh Denner Music by Dan Molad