Decades ago, there were reams of adverts instructing us to drink our milk so we don’t break our bones. But in the decades since, public opinion toward dairy is very different, and the scientific community has largely debunked these ideas. Many of the health-conscious among us choose to avoid it altogether. Our reasons range from a belief that dairy leads to inflammation, to acne, or even to an increased risk of heart attack due to high levels of saturated fat.  But have we fallen into the same trap we often do, bouncing from one extreme to another? Could cutting out dairy mean we miss out on vital nutrients? Or could it hold the secret to a healthy gut microbiome?Today, Jonathan is joined by ZOE regulars and renowned experts, Dr. Sarah Berry and Prof. Tim Spector.In this episode, you’ll not only find out whether you should eat dairy or cut it out, but you’ll also hear two leading nutritional scientists try to reach an agreement on how to translate the latest research into actionable advice. And hopefully, they’ll still remain friends afterward. Get science-based nutrition advice straight to your inbox: https://bit.ly/44xRywMIf you want to uncover the right foods for your body, head to joinzoe.com/podcast, and get 10% off your personalized nutrition program.Timecodes:00:00 - Intro00:13 - Jonathan’s Intro01:38 - Quickfire round02:45 - Biggest myth about dairy04:15 - Does dairy cause inflammation? 10:38 - Bone fragilaty16:03 - Cheese and Yogurt16:59 - Full fat vs semi skinned17:27 - Milk and cholesterol21:03 - Fermented dairy23:00 - dairy and microbes26:03 - Saturated fats26:51 - Cheese quality 31:15 - Summary33:03 - Goodbyes33:14 - OutroFollow ZOE on Instagram.Episode transcripts are available here.Is there a nutrition topic you’d like us to cover? Email us at podcast@joinzoe.com and we’ll do our best to cover it.