Tosca is in conversation with Christian Meyer zu Natrup, Managing Director of MzN International, a boutique consulting firm that focuses both on nonprofits in international development, and on businesses that wish to do good, in this final episode of our 3 part joint podcast series. The other 2 episodes cover ‘Chasing innovation’  (episode #33) and ‘Chasing funding’' (episode #34).SummaryNonprofits are here to solve complex problems. But can they? Where is the impact? And why do some organizations spend so much time and money to achieve what some might typify as relatively little? And are we as NGOs actually interested in measuring and knowing our impact? And how do we build data-informed cultures?In the final episode, I discuss with Chris of MZN NGO impact and what are some NGOs' mental models around impact. Christian’s BioManaging Director of MzN InternationalDisaster relief and assessment coordinator at European Union (2006 – 2013)Senior Executive at Ernst and Young Management Consultants We discussed:  The dangerous seduction of being embedded in a charity architecture (see Tosca's co-authored book)Cost-effectiveness of program interventions: why do NGOs not seem more interested in this? Is it difficult/impossible/too expensive to measure? How to create learning and evidence-driven cultures Resources:LinkedIn profile of ChrisMZN International's WebsiteTwitter profile of ChrisTosca's Virtual Team Leadership Essentials CourseYoutube video of this episodeClick here to subscribe to be alerted when new podcast episodes come out or when Tosca produces other thought leadership pieces.Or email Tosca at tosca@5oaksconsulting.org if you want to talk about your social sector organization’s needs, challenges, and opportunities.You can find Tosca’s content by following her on her social media channels: Twitter LinkedIn Facebook Youtube