In today's episode, Clayton had a fantastic opportunity to talk with fellow entrepreneur and operator in the mortgage ecosystem, John Paasonen, the co-founder and CEO at Maxwell.  Clayton and John do a deep dive into the evolution of Maxwell over the years, from the strategies that were involved on day one and the parts where his clients helped pull the company forward. With Maxwell being at the forefront of a lot of mortgage ecosystem innovation and adoption, he also shares a handful of tips on how to end up on top during an industry cycle. Enjoy the episode!The Housing News podcast explores the most important topics happening in mortgage, real estate, and fintech. Each week a new mortgage or real estate executive joins the show to add perspective to the top stories crossing HousingWire’s news desk. Hosted by Clayton Collins and produced by the HW Media team.