Fredrik Hellberg is the co-founder of Spacepopular, a research-driven art, design and media studio. Fredrik runs the practice together with Lara Lesmes, and the two met when studying architecture at London’s Architectural Association. In our conversation, we discuss Spacepopular's research into the possibilities of Web3 and metaverses and Fredrik shares his expertise on how those spaces can be designed and most importantly, how our physical and digital worlds will be interacting in the future.    To get new weekly On Design podcast episodes directly in your inbox, sign up to our newsletter at https://ondesignpodcast.com/newsletter. Podcast music: James Greenfield Production: Green Podcast Productions