Liza Enebeis is the creative director of Studio Dumbar. In our conversation, we talk about all things motion design, type radio and Liza’s love of books. We also dive into Liza’s approach to life. She discusses the importance of embracing change and always testing yourself by stepping into uncomfortable and challenging situations, which can lead to growth and learning. Liza also shares an important lesson her father taught her - if you don't play, you can never win. It's a conversation about daring, following your curiosity, and living a whole, fulfilling life. Useful links: Studio Dumbar website: https://studiodumbar.com/ Demo Festival: https://demofestival.com/ -- Sign up to the On Design podcast newsletter at ondesignpodcast.com/newsletter. -- Podcast music and production: James Greenfield Production: Green Podcast Productions