Kim was my first meditation teacher and the person I wanted to start the podcast with. As we hopefully head towards the end of the pandemic, I want to be careful not to forget this time. It has revealed something that has always been true: that our normalcy is propped up on a delicately arranged set of circumstances. Kim and I examine the feeling of groundlessness, and how it can lead to a deeper sense of ease. Among other things. You can find me, Sagar Bhatt, at sagarbot on IG, and you can find Kim at meditationwithheart.com and kimberlyjbrown on IG. Music by Niall Connolly.