Holly and Gabriella discuss their experience of buying vegan fashion, 'not buying new' and the debate around secondhand leather. Following the exciting news that a new vegan cookery show is to launch on CBBC, they also chat about their views on vegan kids.Also this episode: Meet Annick Ireland - co-founder of online marketplace Immaculate Vegan and vegan fashion expert. She shares with us the basics of what vegan fashion is, why there's a big difference between ethical and sustainable, and some of the cruel practices behind the leather and wool industries. Music: Sunbeam by Purple Planet Music