Nonprofits are messy and imperfect, and my guest for this episode, Joan Garry, doesn't hold back in saying so. Annnnd she called us "kindred spirits" - so, #swoon. Joan is the go-to resource for hundreds of thousands of nonprofit leaders worldwide. Through her blog, podcast and book, Joan Garry’s Guide to Nonprofit Leadership, she has become the ‘Dear Abby’ of the nonprofit sector, advocating for the success of nonprofits, large and small.  As a columnist for the Chronicle of Philanthropy, a contributor to Harvard Business Review and Forbes Magazine, among others, Joan is a preeminent media spokesperson and thought leader on the role of the nonprofit sector in our society and is a sought after voice on issues facing the sector today. Joan is also the founder of the Nonprofit Leadership Lab, often called the Netflix for small nonprofits, the monthly subscription they can’t live without, it is an online educational and community portal she leads for board and staff leaders of small nonprofits.Joan has a super impressive bio, but she is also very funny, and open, and warm - and generous with her wealth of knowledge! Here are some of the topics we discussed:How Joan's history at MTV and Showtime inspired her current work with nonprofitsWhat Executive Directors need to understand as we slowly enter this next normalHow to "stretch the innovation muscles"Why the status quo is your biggest enemy and how to fight itHow nonprofits can reframe their work - and how they can "market the reframe"How marketing is like writing AND presenting a killer book report A Joan Garry quotable: “Technology is no longer about just fixing your computers. It is central to your ability to build an army of people who love your organization and want to be a part of it."Nonprofit Leadership Lab:https://nonprofitleadershiplab.com/ Connect with Joan: https://twitter.com/joangarryhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/joangarry/https://facebook.com/joangarryconsultinghttps://instagram.com/joangarryconsultingJoan's books on Amazon Do me a favor? Rate, Review, & Follow on Apple Podcasts (or your podcast player of choice) - it helps this podcast get seen by more people that would enjoy it!About Julia Campbell, the host of the Nonprofit Nation podcast:Named as a top thought leader by Forbes and BizTech Magazine, Julia Campbell (she/hers) is an author, coach, and speaker on a mission to make the digital world a better place. She wrote her book, Storytelling in the Digital Age: A Guide for Nonprofits, as a roadmap for social change agents who want to build movements using engaging digital storytelling techniques. Her second book, How to Build and Mobilize a Social Media Community for Your Nonprofit, was published in 2020 as a call-to-arms for mission-driven organizations to use the power of social media to build movements. Julia’s online courses, webinars, and talks have helped hundreds of nonprofits make the shift to digital thinking and raise more money online. Clients include GoFundMe Charity, Meals on Wheels America, the Make-A-Wish Foundation, and the Boys & Girls