Adam and Zach discuss and explain the newly-rediscovered phenomenon of orange wine, highlighted by Adam's interview with Matteo Bisol, winemaker at Venissa on the island of Mazzorbo in the Venetian lagoon. Plus: why are Italians such masochists when it comes to winemaking, and why can't they make a good Negroni? If you have any comments, questions, or critiques of the VinePair podcast, please email podcast@vinepair.com, and don't forget to like, subscribe, rate, and review us on your podcast platform of choice. Thanks for listening, and cheers! See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.