**A Modern Nonprofit Podcast Episode: Innovating Nonprofit Programs with Systems & Design Thinking**

Hey Nonprofit Champions! Ever felt the challenge of marrying the needs of your community with the demands of your funders? ? Dive into our latest episode where Tasha Anderson chats with Sheryl Cababa, the Chief Strategy Officer at Substantial, about revolutionizing program development using systems and design thinking.

Sheryl unpacks the nuances between systems thinking (the broad view, looking at the interplay between all stakeholders) and design thinking (a beneficiary-centric approach, co-designing for impact). When these two powerhouses meet, magic happens! By combining them, we get rapid, user-centric solutions that also take into account the larger picture.

One significant challenge we delve into? Prescriptive funding. With funders often setting the rules of the game, how can nonprofits retain their innovative edge? Sheryl's insights on a more flexible, systems-oriented approach by funders might be the game-changer we need.

And if you're curious to see this thinking in action, don’t miss Sheryl's fascinating case study on a grand challenge by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Spoiler alert: It’s about embracing complexity and collaboration.

Nonprofits, it's time to get nimble, innovate, and amplify our impact! Tune in for a treasure trove of actionable insights and get inspired to approach your next project with a fresh lens. ???
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